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00:02 this conference. This conference will now recorded. Okay, so velocities decreasing

00:13 increasing temperature, you increase the The fluids expand. They become more

00:21 . These happen to be heavy oils so they are more susceptible to this

00:28 this temperature range than for example brian be. But here you have velocity

00:35 as pressure is increasing. Can anybody that? All right. I'll leave

00:47 for you to chew on also and come back to such slides until you

00:54 decide you want to start thinking, to have to do with the fluid

01:01 . Assume these 100% oil saturated. it strike you as odd. That

01:15 is decreasing as pressure is increasing. thought it would be opposite because you

01:21 , as pressure increases, you have microfractures are revealing. Right? So

01:28 do you think is going on here ? I said this was an inadequately

01:34 slide. Is the pressure increasing creating more fractures? I don't think

01:44 what's happening here. Um I think guys are participating. I'll go ahead

01:49 tell you what I think is going . I think the pressure is not

01:56 correctly. They haven't specified what type pressure and they never said it was

02:02 pressure, overburden pressure or external I believe it's poor pressure.

02:08 as the poor pressure is increasing the go down because the fluids are pushing

02:16 rock frame more open, is pushing poorest to be more open and therefore

02:22 compressible. This was a famous paper akin to more on the effective temperature

02:35 velocities in Baria sandstone, which is classic sandstone that rock physicists love to

02:42 measurements on because it's porous, but well lit defied and it's very

02:48 So you don't have nasty clay's interfering things. And he measured p wave

02:54 with increasing temperature. He also measured wave velocity with increasing temperature and he's

03:01 three different p wave velocity curves there different differential pressure is also different confining

03:10 pore pressures. But as the differential is increasing, you get you go

03:17 the higher curve. Alright, so the velocities are increasing with a differential

03:26 . And that's true for both P and share waves now for p

03:31 Remember we said as the temperature increases rockies, the brian becomes more

03:40 so the velocities go down, that's . But what about shear wave

03:47 Should shear wave velocities be dependent on ? And if you look at the

03:52 wave velocity curves at the high differential , there is essentially no dependence on

04:01 ? Excuse me, on temperature. the two curves at lower differential pressure

04:09 suggesting a temperature as that velocity share decreases as temperature increase. So,

04:20 anybody want to hypothesis why that might happening? Could it tie back to

04:31 viscosity of the fluids in the Probably not in the case of

04:40 What do you think about fluids expanding temperature? What might happen is the

04:46 expand that increase uh, increase our pressure or we have differential pressure.

04:54 yeah, they're controlling the four pressure . So what they do is they

04:58 a little tube into the sample. miraculous that they could do this.

05:04 they are controlling the external temperature. with this tube into the sample they

05:11 control the poor pressure as well. put a pressure gauge on that and

05:15 let fluid bleed off as necessary until got the desired pore pressure. So

05:24 you see pc is the confining pressure PP is the poor pressure. So

05:31 high pressure there's no dependence on temperature at low pressures there seems to be

05:37 dependence on temperature. Now, if remember our velocity versus pressure terms what

05:44 true at lower pressures or what is about the rock and low pressure versus

05:50 pressure. The degree of ratification. , if defecation, I would you

06:06 , I would say the compressibility of frame is different. With indication implies

06:11 geological process. Right? So I the rock. It has a degree

06:16 lymph indication. Then I put it the laboratory. I may change things

06:21 the rock frame as I squeeze it I put fluids in and so

06:25 I may alter the rock frame. I wouldn't call that changing the degree

06:31 litigation. That's a geological process. yes, it seems to me that

06:37 is certainly affecting the module lists of frame because the velocity is going

06:44 the sheer velocity is going down. it suggests that the frame becomes less

06:50 and higher temperatures. Why might that ? But this only happens at low

07:00 . There's more of something in Iraq low pressure than at high pressure.

07:04 talked about this at length yesterday louis ? Well, it's all water

07:15 Right. So all of these uh know, this is in the laboratory

07:22 so the pore spaces filled with water . Yes. Or as opposed to

07:35 , let's just say low aspect ratio or poor. Is that act like

07:40 aspect ratio? Of course. Remember low pressure, your flat pores open

07:47 and at high pressure they close. ? So if the flat pores are

07:53 closed, then the rock frame is going to be changing its virginity as

08:02 change the temperature of the fluid. module at the both modules of the

08:06 is changing, but that doesn't change rigidity. And all the flat pores

08:11 closed because you're under high confining But at low pressure the flat pores

08:19 the flu is expand. The flat may open up more alright, There

08:24 be partially open and the flu is and it pushes them further open.

08:30 that could be what's going on. However, if you look at these

08:39 , these trends don't seem to be strong. In fact, if I

08:45 one data point here, that trend almost flat and this trend, there's

08:52 data over the low temperature range, doesn't seem to be a big effect

08:57 . I don't know how these lines to the data, but it's possible

09:03 the slope on those lines is not significant or is being biased by this

09:11 error, possible experimental error here. Anyway, so either the data is

09:19 exactly right or we do have a to explain it. Now, of

09:29 , as we go to very low , we can freeze the fluids.

09:35 this is problematical thing in arctic regions the north slope of Alaska. Uh

09:45 . What you have then is a velocity zone at the surface where the

09:49 are frozen now in spring. As start to thaw, you may have

10:01 of frozen grounds and you may have of unfrozen ground can produce terrible near

10:08 effects. Also when the permafrost is , uh, you can't really run

10:17 trucks through this uh mud. So seismic acquisition a season is in the

10:29 when the ground is solid and you run trucks over it. Now the

10:42 of the water decreases. But that's , you know, that's not the

10:47 reason for this change in velocity. what could cause such a big increase

10:53 velocity as you freeze The water in four space? What happens to the

11:02 as you freeze it sacrifice it solidifies that makes it harder to compress.

11:11 actually has resistance to compression and it makes it rigid. So in

11:19 you're going from a porous medium. a mixture of solids and liquids when

11:26 water has melted to a mixture of and that gives you a higher

11:38 Does the same thing apply to gas ? It does. Now, later

11:55 in the course, we will look the mathematics of changing the fluids in

12:01 porous rock, but for the time , we're just going to look at

12:05 phenomenal. Logically, I have a frame and I stole this slide from

12:11 Hiltermann. You can't you can't see uh annotations. The citations are cut

12:20 for some reason. So you're not it, but this is from fred

12:26 and many geophysicists like to draw rocks swiss cheese. I figured out why

12:32 the case. So, here the is the ferocity and the gray is

12:38 solid material. But anyway, you the idea, it's a it's a

12:43 medium and there are various properties of medium that are important to us.

12:51 huh. The bulk module lists or to volumetric compression of the whole

13:00 It's a solid matrix is a rock and it's fluids in the poorest

13:08 The bulk modules of that whole thing called K. Sat that saturated

13:16 So the module lists of the rock with fluids and that's the module

13:22 would measure, say with the sonic , measuring the PVS and density and

13:27 out the bulk modules. That would the saturated module is with the institute

13:34 . The solid material could be called matrix that some some sometimes called K

13:40 KM. A. Also sometimes K , sometimes Ks. One of the

13:47 favors I did for you in this is I did not unify the notation

13:53 the notation is never uniform. It all over the place. So you

13:57 to kind of figure out for yourself what the notation is as we move

14:02 equations. It's not because I was lazy to fix all these figures.

14:08 wasn't bad at all. It was service that I was providing to you

14:13 letting you adjust to the way the world is with notation bearing all over

14:19 place. Okay. The liquids in fourth space or fluids, it could

14:25 gas or liquid would be K fluid K. F. L. Or

14:30 . F. But a very important is something that we have to

14:37 We have to back out using theoretical is what is called K Dry.

14:45 I hate that terminology. What K is, is the bulk modules.

14:49 rock would have without the fluids. is a horrible idea. Because if

14:58 take the fluids out, you could the interaction between the fluids and

15:03 You can actually change the rock. slaves could clays could change their mechanical

15:14 . Uh There can be geochemical effects the rock is exposed to different

15:19 Iraq exposed to brine may cement very than Iraq exposed to uh or saturated

15:28 oil for example, oil may preserve porosity, whereas brian would allow the

15:34 to be cemented up. Also this of K Dry, it's an instantaneous

15:41 , It's a mechanical thing. So I'm mechanically take the fluid out.

15:48 doesn't suggest what will have happened over time with different fluids in the

15:55 Write a dry rock over geological time compress and compact more easily than a

16:02 saturated rock for example, or the saturated rock could be more lubricated.

16:09 game grains are lubricated and they'll slide each other differently. So all kinds

16:15 things can happen. Uh The rock the fluid in it. The rock

16:20 itself could be harder or softer depending the fluid in the rock. But

16:27 equations of physics don't comprehend all which is why we have to use

16:34 equations with a grain of salt. ? So I don't like the terminology

16:38 . Dry. I would rather call the frame module list or the skeleton

16:45 . It's the bulk modules of the frame in contact with the fluids geologically

16:51 geo chemically in contact with the Is it contact with. Um So

16:57 hear me referring to this as the modules but usually in the literature,

17:02 referred to as K dry all of are volumetric module I so the ratio

17:11 volumetric stress to volumetric strain. So can go through the math and we

17:23 now you will do a little bit math in this course. It's not

17:26 . Mm but if we go through math, we could then change the

17:35 in the rock or we could change water saturation in the rock. So

17:40 I have kate frame, I now the module lists of the fluid.

17:47 so here, I calculate an effective . It's as I add gas to

17:52 rock. And how would I do ? How would I put gas bubbles

17:57 water and compute the modules of that medium of a gas water mixture where

18:05 gas is free as bubbles. You have the equation to do that.

18:10 equation is that? Well, you have many equations. I haven't given

18:30 that many which one might be which computes the both modules of a mixture

18:40 on the bulk modules of the both I and fractions buying fractions of the

18:50 . Aspirins? Well, I haven't you gasoline yet. Right.

18:55 um, here, but I've already you equations where I can calculate an

19:02 modules or things. So, which have I given you the masked man's

19:10 , that's density, that's not that's both modules because that's the plane way

19:19 , what about the plane wave So I I got say I've got

19:25 constituents solid and water and I've got in the water. Solid floating in

19:34 water. So I have solid grains in water. What equation do I

19:39 to calculate the modules of that What is that mixture called? I

19:56 solid grains floating in a liquid That's a suspension. Do you recall

20:05 told you how to calculate the module of the suspension. Does it have

20:12 do with a critical porosity? well, it has to do,

20:19 . It has to do with what do when you have exceeded the critical

20:23 . If that's what you're getting You guys got to catch up on

20:33 homework. I mean, if already on there were homework assignments where you

20:41 supposed to plot that, she was to plot the bulk module. I

20:46 we vary, vary the volume fraction constituents. Right? So, um

20:54 me just say that if I have mixture, if I have a suspension

20:58 solid material in a liquid, I use the Royce bound to exactly calculate

21:07 module us. That's also called Woods . I think we covered that maybe

21:12 the first class. And it turns if I have gas bubbles in floating

21:21 a liquid, I could still use equation. So it's a volume weighted

21:27 average of the modules of gas and modules and liquid. So that allows

21:35 to calculate the fluid module. Us I dropped the fluid module is what

21:40 happen is when we go through gas equations will see the velocity of the

21:46 drops. The shear wave velocity doesn't because it doesn't depend on the fluid

21:52 is per se. Right. The frame may change as I change the

21:58 , but if I'm just mechanically changing fluid module is and that's all I'm

22:03 . The sheer modules hasn't changed. I add guests and the shear wave

22:08 goes up. Why is that why the shear wave velocity go up if

22:16 at gas? Is it because I'm the sheer modules because decreases density.

22:42 . That's exactly what happens if I'm affecting the share module is density is

22:46 only other thing that could be I dropped the density, the velocity

22:51 up. Now, what happens is I take a reciprocal average of the

23:00 modules, the bulk modules to the drops way down when they had just

23:05 little bit of gas. Remember, the most compressible material that dominates the

23:12 average. The p wave velocity comes up as I had more gas because

23:17 haven't dropped both modules anymore. It's dropped that as far as it's going

23:21 go and now I reduce the density the p wave velocity comes up.

23:29 think about the D P. S ratio, The V P.

23:31 . S ratio. I had a bit of gas VP over V.

23:35 drops dramatically and then remains relatively constant this ratio is relatively the same.

23:48 , so this is a theoretical computation gas masks equations which will study in

23:55 few weeks, but I love One can rather than going through the

24:08 of the theoretical Gassman equations and there's lot of uncertainty in the way errors

24:14 through those equations. One can just huh. Cross plot brian stand velocity

24:23 gas stand velocity better trend to So, it's basically what I did

24:29 , which was the black curve, don't have the data points to show

24:33 , but I have the curve that released, the data points didn't.

24:39 the red line here is the So if the brian stand velocity equals

24:44 gas man velocity, you're on the line here. And what you can

24:51 is that the brian stand velocity is faster than the gas hand velocity,

24:56 least for typical rocks for granular sand . We're talking about sand stones

25:04 we're always below the line. So to the right, I should

25:07 to the right of the line where brian sand velocity is higher than the

25:11 sand velocity, But as we get very high velocities, that difference is

25:18 small. It's just a couple of . A few percent. Whereas I

25:24 to very low brian stand velocities. gas effect is really big.

25:29 So here we're going from 2.5 to five. So we more than doubled

25:36 here and over here. It's just minor change percentage wise. Anyway,

25:43 , hypothesis why when I have low wave velocities, is the gas effect

25:50 much bigger? Is this related to we saw in the previous slide,

26:03 the compressibility changes quickly early on the gas percentages. Okay, so here

26:12 thinking we have all gas percentages. empirical. So on the average,

26:17 gas, the water saturation here is 50%. So we would more or

26:23 here on the curve. Okay, I'm saying is this difference from here

26:31 here is much bigger for low velocity and for high velocity rocks. See

26:39 . Okay, the drop from p velocity to so here I'm 6 to

26:47 . Right? So, p wave of six, gas velocity of

26:54 That's almost a factor of two. up here, What is it 19,000

27:02 18,000? Is that right, So, what is that?

27:11 Something like that? Oh, is difference, is that widening as we

27:17 like towards the very, very high ? Is there like a uh I'll

27:21 you hypothesize that I haven't come to yet. But yeah, good

27:31 The low velocity, It means probably like a higher porosity. Kind of

27:38 a Class three at the bottom. difference. Yeah, that's it.

27:45 local why, you know, these are low velocity. So their modules

27:49 low right there, High porosity Maybe not highly liquefied, etcetera.

27:56 , the rock frame is more So the fluid effect is much

28:03 If I have a very strong rock that is in compressible velocity is not

28:08 to care too much what's in the space. But if it's a very

28:12 rock space, as those poorest close fluids and if they can't escape,

28:18 going to resist that compression, they're to push back. Okay, so

28:25 this end. What about this Is that like the Class four dimming

28:34 in between class to kind of that zone? I'm not gonna related directly

28:43 the HBO classes first of all, beyond the scope of this course.

28:47 talk about the rocks themselves. Why might these rocks even though they're

28:54 velocity? Why might they have a effect? A bigger fluid effect than

29:01 ? These rocks? Mhm. Think a really hard rock. Right,

29:13 courts would be around over here. would be pure courts. How could

29:20 have a gas effect in pure It's a It's a courtside. It's

29:29 metamorphic rock. Could I have a effect in court, sir? In

29:33 port side, I guess if you like fractures in. Exactly.

29:42 That's exactly right. So, maybe after more low aspect ratio fractures that

29:54 have fluid in them to have that . Whereas maybe these rocks or more

30:00 reports. Right. Maybe uh there many fractures here because the velocities are

30:08 high. There are many, but depend very much the pores here depend

30:15 much on what's in them. Maybe are more ground pores here, which

30:19 why the velocities lower, but they care too much what's in that.

30:30 , so we're not going to talk HBO classes, but we are going

30:35 talk about uh the types of amplitude you get as we change the fluids

30:44 Iraq. So here we're looking at impedance density times velocity and here we

30:53 the impedance of shells. That's kind what we're comparing to my brian sand

31:00 the open circle. If it's lower penis in the shell, what's going

31:04 happen when I add gas? It's to be even lower, infuse.

31:08 going to lower the velocity, lower destiny. So I have even lower

31:12 people. So this would be a reflection coefficient. This would be a

31:18 negative reflection coefficient for the gas. what we call a bright spot.

31:24 the way, a rule of thumb could pretty much always rely on is

31:29 impedance drops when you add gas to . I've never seen a case where

31:35 didn't. Yeah, because, you , it's not only the velocity

31:40 it's also the density effect. And the density is dropping when you add

31:46 . So in this particular case my sand was hiring peters than my

31:51 So when I add guest to that , I lower density, I lower

31:56 , I lower the impedance. I a weaker positive reflection coefficient. This

32:03 called the vin spot here. So is a strong hard reflection. This

32:08 a softer or a weaker hard Right? That's the dem side.

32:15 then there are cases and happened quite where you know, brian san happens

32:23 be faster or higher impedance in the . You put gas in the rocket

32:29 its lower impudence in the shelf and a polarity reversal. So you switch

32:36 hard reflection to a soft reflection. what type of anomaly or you gonna

32:49 at a particular locality? Well, way to establish an expectation is to

32:58 rock physics trends versus death and this a lot of what uh people

33:08 rock physics and industry would do in particular location if they're going to study

33:13 types of amplitude anomalies. They're looking at, they will plot density brian

33:21 velocity, shale density, brian sand , gas and density versus death.

33:28 they'll fluid substitute using the mass balance . Right? So they'll change the

33:33 density and given what the brian stands doing, they can figure out what

33:37 gas sands are doing. Keep in these are average values versus death.

33:43 never going to be a perfect line this. But you know, consider

33:46 a regression fit of some kind and could do the same thing with velocity

33:53 in this case interval transit time uh shells, reading off the logs for

33:58 brian sands, reading off the logs then again a fluid substitution from brian

34:04 to gas sand. And that would using gas months equations which will talk

34:11 soon enough. So then you can at the average response as a function

34:18 depth in an area. So here white curb of swing or that reflection

34:25 is for the brian sand and the represents represents the reflection coefficient for a

34:33 . And you can see in all these cases in this area were not

34:36 deep. The brian sands are all reflection coefficients, they're all stopped and

34:43 gas stands are all more negative. all of these deaths would have bright

34:50 . I put gas in a rock I'm going to have a stronger negative

34:58 . Then if I have brian in rock. Mhm Okay, so here

35:08 have velocity versus death. This this from Gardner Gardner and Gregory again,

35:14 citation got cut off. So you'll this in their paper and I actually

35:23 a Gregory's dana, He was, was a research associate at the University

35:28 texas when I was a grad student at least to see some guy running

35:33 in the basement. We thought he the janitor. Until one day we

35:37 him giving a lecture in a graduate . Right? So that that was

35:42 Gregory. And he had thousands of points from thousands of wells in the

35:49 coast. And so he these trends an average of many, many data

35:58 . Uh huh. And again, just what they are. They are

36:02 you will have in any particular you will have deviations from these

36:09 will have a lot of scatter around trends, but these are showing on

36:13 average what happens in the gulf And again, we have our

36:17 so that this is death velocity. the rocks are compacting rapid for a

36:23 reduction rearrangement of brains, deformation of until it's pretty much as compacted,

36:30 going to be at which point it lit defying and it loses ferocity with

36:37 depth and pressure. Um none of rocks on the gulf coast or what

36:43 would call fully liquefied, right? uh the velocity increased with death becomes

36:54 . Mhm. Okay, so um got the shell trend which is a

36:59 continuous thing. It it doesn't have need right, with which when granule

37:06 with sands, you're going from loose is to uh denser and denser

37:13 Eventually you packed as much as you , shells are more continuous, you're

37:19 squeezing these books tighter and tighter and squeezing water out of the shells,

37:26 . So that tends to be a bumpy curve. Right for shells.

37:32 what you see is the brian velocity the shell very shallow here. The

37:39 are faster than the shells, but put a little pressure on the shells

37:44 compact and the shells actually for a get faster than the brine sands.

37:52 but eventually uh the sands get compacted off and uh cemented enough such that

38:00 are faster than the shells on the . And then uh Greg Gregory did

38:07 substitution. He added oil here. added gas here. And you by

38:18 to first order, assume that density acting similarly to uh brian stands just

38:25 the purposes of this question. Say was impedance instead of velocity and you

38:31 curves like this. Where would you bright spots? And it would be

38:37 where the shells are higher impedance than sands. So in fact here for

38:49 and you might you might get dim . They have very similar impedance to

38:54 shells. Or you could have a polarity reversal here. Now, as

39:03 said, um these are just average and a particular death. You will

39:10 have a distribution. So these are that I took from our database that

39:18 had, this would would be an Louisiana area. It's just a particular

39:27 where we had a lot of wells again, I couldn't release the

39:31 but I was able to release the grams. Right, So this is

39:37 distribution of brian sand velocities, shale , gassing velocities. Again, the

39:45 dancer fluid substituted using gas mints You see a lot of overlap because

39:53 distributions a particular gas hand maybe faster a particular brined stand at a given

40:03 uh huh. Death. How could could that be? Well, you

40:07 have a very low porosity sand. , so poorest Grinstein may actually be

40:13 velocity than a non forest. So there's ambiguity. Right. This

40:21 one of the reasons we try to a video to reduce the ambiguity.

40:27 here, given the sand shell gas properties, we can compute the hist

40:33 gram for reflection coefficients. And what find again is this particular locality offshore

40:41 over that depth frame. All so, it's very specific. But

40:47 you find is that on the the brine stands here in this area

40:52 a near zero reflection coefficient on the , where the gas sands on the

40:58 have a large negative reflection coefficient. , we would expect on the average

41:03 to have bright spots. However, that particular gas sands could actually have

41:12 in fact, they even have a reflection coefficient and a particular gas and

41:19 uh higher or more positive reflection coefficient a particular brian's notice that that's not

41:27 fluid substitution. In fact, these two different rocks. Right, this

41:31 be a very porous brine sand and would be a very tight gas.

41:44 this is a plot from fred Hiltermann he's getting even more precise here.

41:50 showing actual hissed a grams for sand and shale velocity versus death. This

41:56 also an offshore Louisiana area and you there's a lot of spread around the

42:05 value. Are these asterisks here? , right, there's a lot of

42:11 more so in the sands than in shells. Okay, now, but

42:20 you take these average values and you these versus death. This is a

42:26 from norman idol. What he's got his brian sands where shallow there are

42:34 reflection coefficient. There's what he calls crossover death. Yeah, you go

42:41 than that and the brian stands on average have a positive reflection coefficient.

42:48 you do fluid substitution. And so gas hands are always plotting here at

42:53 impedance than the brian stand. Some negative reflection profession. So down to

43:00 crossover point, you will have bright between this crossover and the point at

43:08 gas crosses over the brian sands are to be positive reflections. Gas sands

43:13 negative reflections and you are polarity reversals after gas becomes high impedance than brian

43:21 and gas sands above positive reflection These are dim spots worked in

43:32 Now, needle has added a couple dash lines here, what are these

43:38 lines? Well, he's suggesting, we talked about gear pressure and if

43:43 go into gear pressure here, pressure reduce the velocity and density of the

43:50 . So that will lower the impedance the shell. So the wet

43:55 if we lower the impudence of the to here, you know, it

44:00 be uh geo pressure does that then crossover will occur at this step.

44:07 so you'll have bright spots above The same thing for the Dench spots

44:12 will be moved up. Typically the pressures or the shale velocities are more

44:20 by poor pressure than the sand velocities the shells are more compressible. So

44:26 poor pressure has a bigger effect on frame modules. So you could plot

44:36 these crossover points are going to be rocks of different ages. And this

44:43 also applaud from norman Idol. And just dividing, he's saying, what

44:51 will the crossover point occur at for of different ages? So, on

44:58 axis you have the age. uh it turns out the older the

45:06 , the shallower at which this crossover is going to be. So apply

45:11 to seeing rocks, you may never this crossover, right? But

45:15 it's going to be at a great uh in older rocks. Uh you

45:20 have that positive reflection coefficient for brian and much shallower deaths, which means

45:27 need to be looking for polarity reversals much shallower deaths. Okay, that's

45:38 I have on velocities. Are there questions on velocity or compression? Wave

45:48 ? Okay. I'm gonna stop And I'm going to share again.

46:02 don't have a question. Yes. the name again of this? It's

46:06 for the larry king. What anytime, regardless of selection?

46:12 neidl cause that the calls that the deaths. Thank you. Okay,

46:23 the next unit R V P. s ratios. Right? So until

46:28 we've been talking primarily about p wave . Now we're gonna throw shear wave

46:36 into the mix. And look at ratio of the two. And you

46:41 see there is a direct relationship between V P B s ratio and Madison's

46:47 as we discussed previously. So, to review what is Parsons ratio When

46:53 have a fluid in family? The is infinity. What is Pakistan's ratio

47:13 or 0? The other side. . Remember infinity squared minus twos.

47:24 squared is infinity. To infinity squared two is to infinity. So infinity

47:30 by twice. Infinity is .5. Castagna math. A two mathematician would

47:36 the limit of this relationship. S limit as V P B s approaches

47:43 And that is equal 2.5. All . So, a person's ratio?

47:50 is fluid. What's the minimum? ratio? Somebody said -1? That

47:57 the minimum. Hassan's ratio. Uh somebody want to do some quick algebra

48:02 telling me what the V. D. S ratio is. When

48:07 ratio is minimum, One person's ratio -1. Was it a square

48:38 4/3? That's exactly right. Really . Okay so square to 4/3 is

48:47 . We'll see that again. So yell when you see it again and

48:51 give you another point on your The first one to yell. Uh

48:57 get an extra point on your So. Okay. That's the theoretical

49:02 up with songs ratio. That that the material that gets thinner as you

49:08 it. Which is very rare practical limit of Hassan's ratio is zero.

49:15 I haven't seen rocks where I believe seen ratios less than zero. So

49:22 range of persons ratio is 02.5. so remember the definition of Hassan's

49:35 Sometimes we include a minus sign. we don't all depends on how you

49:40 your coordinates whether delta W. Is or positive. So let's not worry

49:46 that. But it's the transfer strain by the longitudinal strength. Yeah.

49:52 uh you could represent it in terms the BPB aspirations and just to give

49:59 the same equation in a slightly different . So V. S.

50:05 P ratio in this case. Or can calculate the dp B s ratio

50:10 this equation uh sticking. Hassan's So what is uh the V.

50:17 . B. S ratio when lessons was zero. Did you say was

50:33 ? Or thirds or something like No no no. And let put

50:39 ratio B zero many more square into . So the practical lower limit of

50:54 V. P. V. S is the square of two. And

51:02 said last time there's a 1-1 relationship the D. P. B.

51:06 . ratio and fastens ratio. So over the the practical lower limit to

51:14 maximum value. And so 1.41 is smallest v. PBS ratio. And

51:22 I know persons ratio, I know PBS and vice a versa surges by

51:27 into the equation. And remember we about there was a debate in literature

51:32 leon Thompson and some uh some others example, fred Hiltermann likes to use

51:37 ratio. Leon likes to use the PBS Trecia. I think it's a

51:42 of preference. If I'm dealing here very high of persons ratios, it

51:49 very insensitive to big changes in the PBS ratio. So it's more convenient

51:54 very soft unconsolidated rocks that are more like in their behavior. Higher the

52:02 ratios, higher plaisance ratios. Um you use the PBS station.

52:09 if you are in well with if with Lovie PBS ratios you may see

52:14 bigger change in essence ratio. Now on. Uh fellow professor at Colorado

52:27 of mines published that George pickett published work. He did. I believe

52:31 was also a chow, A tremendous of this rock physics work was done

52:37 shell probably 20 years ahead of the of the industry. Um And he

52:43 that there is a little illogical dependence the T. PVS ratio. So

52:48 he had uh was looking at sonic . So he's looking at sonic transit

52:55 . Microseconds for feet. So shear slowness versus P wave slowness. And

53:01 noticed for lime stones, he had pretty constant be PBS ratio of 1.9

53:07 for Dolomites pretty constant. Be PBS 1.8. But stan stones, he

53:14 the PBS varying and she got The D. P. B.

53:17 increased. But basically he said somewhere know little uh south of 4.6 to

53:24 little bit over 1.7. And that uh the rule of thumb in industry

53:31 1.6-1.7 for Sandstone, interestingly, he had some limey sands here which were

53:42 or yeah, he had it was mixture of limestone and sandstone I should

53:47 cal setting course and he had some license ratios there or be PBS ratio

53:54 there. Now if we look at pure minerals for calcite, we have

54:07 grouping of points. These are measurements calcite crystals Up there around 1.9-2.

54:15 in there for Dolomites we find a range and that's not completely understood.

54:23 think it has to do with the of cat irons. Right, so

54:29 is calcium, magnesium carbonate. You have more magnesium and calcium or calcium

54:37 neck than magnesium. And you could iron substitution. So what is called

54:43 may not be 5050 calcium and And so there's a wide range And

54:51 averaging around 1.75. Um Remember pick had in dolomite rocks. He had

55:01 And then course is pretty well The PBS ratio close to 1.5

55:10 Now what do we mean by the velocity? Keep in mind we discussed

55:16 previously where the mineral velocities depend on . These minerals are anti psychotropic.

55:24 depending along which access you're making the and how your share wave is

55:31 uh perpendicular or parallel to which access get different velocities. So what is

55:39 by the mineral velocity? What is is an idea? Tropic, randomly

55:46 distribution of crystals with zero porosity. , a mineral velocity is kind of

55:54 fiction right? It doesn't really exist nature. Right? Mm. So

56:04 forcing it to be Aisa tropic and and that's the number we use to

56:11 our theoretical calculations. Oh by the , there was a clay point

56:20 How do I measure velocity in a ? Yeah, that's really tough.

56:25 got this platelet. You know. I want to eliminate geometric effects.

56:32 I don't have an infinite frequency I could propagate through that wavelet without

56:38 being guided waves or deformation ways in clay platelet, right? Channel

56:46 guided waves. Uh Oscillations of the of vibration of the wave lit I

56:54 of the paper of the platelet. So what that is that's an

57:00 These are aggregates of uh Shelly material in clay but Extrapolated to 100%

57:13 So this was just one point. was something we did in the frio

57:18 in south texas. And that was extrapolate clay point we had there.

57:24 anyway uh the minerals do tend to out right, of course,

57:30 dolomite and clay. What would be like a larger difference in the orientation

57:40 velocity? Would it be in P. Or V. S.

57:44 in B. S. Yeah. . Bs tends to be more dependent

57:51 ndp the if you subtract, if look at Thompson's epsilon parameter which is

58:01 to the difference between vertical and horizontal . Uh It's a lot bigger for

58:08 for share waves than uh Well, is the shear wave difference is a

58:14 bigger than the p wave differences. . Okay, here's some laboratory measurements

58:29 was able to compile and this was clay point we had just extrapolated from

58:37 locality and it's just put there for and now we'll draw a line

58:45 play the calcite which is off, the page off the chart. But

58:51 a line headed in that direction and a line headed from clay the course

58:58 what you see is the points tend get strung out along there. Now

59:04 one problem with laboratory measurements which I've to very briefly. I should have

59:11 more time on it and that is laboratory measurements are biased. How are

59:17 biased? What kind of bias would have in laboratory measurements compared to

59:24 c. two measurements? Mhm. explanation process. Okay well that yeah

59:32 that is a correction fact or a . The rock has been changed and

59:37 usually produces a bias to lower velocities a bigger pressure dependence but there's a

59:46 bias also. In addition so there's bias in the types of rocks I

59:52 sample and make laboratory measurements on. what is that bias? Think about

60:09 process of Corinne and bringing that core the surface in drilling a plug and

60:17 them measurement on that plug. You see a lot of opportunity for

60:23 sample to break or lose cohesion. ? The laboratory measurements that we have

60:30 the literature are for samples that have the process. See what I'm

60:39 We're going to be biased towards more samples. Now in a shell I

60:47 know how much you've handled shells certainly the surface they tend to flake apart

60:54 they? They exfoliate very easily. ? It shells will tend to lose

61:00 cohesion and break very easily. So have a shell survive. The korean

61:10 means that shell has to be well and it could be a court cement

61:17 is fine because the shell has a of course in it already but it

61:22 also be a carbonates in that you line these shells. Mhm. Sometimes

61:30 think we call them morals. Blimey . Um So that means your laboratory

61:39 and shells are going to be biased towards the courts line or the cow

61:48 . So we see things spread out way but we see uh some points

61:54 to approach the calcite line. Other headed towards the courts line. Also

62:03 have dry clays. There will be towards lower p wave velocity. So

62:08 may have problems there if our samples not fully saturated. Um Now there's

62:15 law that says that the relationship has be a straight line. These lines

62:20 just drawn for reference. Who Maybe we have a lower bound which

62:23 a curve there between those points which think we should now I think we

62:35 more time which brings us to the rock line. And if I ever

62:40 you on a test what is the scientific discovery of all time? The

62:44 is the mud rock line were true false. Uh huh. The mud

62:49 line is the greatest scientific discovery of time. The answer is true.

62:54 I'm telling you that right now. the greatest scientific discovery for me personally

63:02 uh the paper I wrote where I up with this line is one of

63:07 most cited papers in geophysics and I guarantee you got me my endowed chair

63:13 the University of Houston. So I very thankful to the mud rock

63:17 I did this as a graduate Why? Because I just happen to

63:22 some of the very early shear wave logs. I did my dissertation working

63:31 digital full waveform sonic logs and processing wave forms and measuring shear wave velocities

63:40 them. Uh And that was so was one of the first people to

63:45 a lot of the shear wave velocity and I was able to notice what

63:50 going on. Uh This particular line combined a lot of different measurements.

63:56 combined These are all in c. measurements. I combined a variety of

64:02 sonic bog measurements. I also included some dSP measurements to get to the

64:09 low velocities in the early days. We didn't have shear wave velocity logs

64:15 slow rocks. Um I even used used some inverted uh surface wave velocities

64:23 uh some uh navy measurements on uh sediments. Um So anyway I plotted

64:33 all up and I just plotted VP . V. S. I happen

64:37 be working part time in a well group and that's what we were

64:40 We were cross flooding logs so why cross flood VP VS. V.

64:46 . And I have been asked, been approached by someone who is working

64:50 a video of all things and he me what should the velocity of Shelby

64:58 the V. P. V. . Ratio of Shelby. And I

65:01 around asking every g emphasised, I the ark a research lab where I

65:06 working part time, what's the P. B. S ratio for

65:10 and they would tell me over Whereas you know, we had pickets

65:15 it was very precise for other pathologies over to sounded like not a very

65:21 number. So um I started collecting measurements and he started to determine for

65:30 what the shale velocities were. And I plotted up shale velocities and I

65:35 spotted Bp roses B. S. I was extremely surprised because what you

65:43 is as you see this very well line. But what you see is

65:48 V. P. B. Ratio is varying continually along the line

65:54 , I've got up here, I a v. p. b.

65:56 . ratio approaching 1.5 down here, V. P. B.

66:01 Ratio. What is that point you know, one point around

66:08 Later on I saw the PBS ratios high as 40, right at the

66:13 bottom. We're using uh ocean bottom and were able to make these

66:20 We had very high Vis PBS duration very shallow. So quite a difference

66:27 the kind of results pick it was Now remember a picket Made his measurements

66:33 the laboratory he was biased towards well the five rocks Here. I'm looking

66:38 in C2 measurements and I'm spanning the range from very poorly, lit defied

66:46 uh pretty relatively well identified for a . So anyway, I put a

66:52 to these points by the way I picked excluded that point because that was

66:57 a near surface measurement on shore In upper 10 ft. And I decided

67:05 that point had to be above the table. So that was partially

67:09 So that actually had gas in the space. It had air in the

67:14 space. Right? So I threw point out for good reason. And

67:19 I got was this line and we're we're getting close to the velocity of

67:23 . In fact, The curve would to bend right. You can't extrapolate

67:28 all the way down. But the here is 1.36. And we have

67:33 very well defined relationship. And I'm sorry to say that nobody saw the

67:41 root of 4/3 here. So nobody the point on there on their uh

67:48 . I don't I don't know if a coincidence or not, but that's

67:51 close to the square four thirds. the minimum possible D. PVS ratio

67:58 have an intercept of zero here And PBS would be square root of

68:04 So funny how that worked out. still haven't figured out the physical significance

68:09 that. That was Both to 40 ago. So then I went around

68:21 I started looking for data in the to support or falsify this idea of

68:29 mud rock line. Now I called mud rocks. His the rocks I

68:34 were not all shell somewhere placed on silt stones. And so these are

68:41 mud rocks. So I didn't I determine that before I try to

68:48 tune this by composition or grain size anything. I'm just going to lump

68:53 all together. I didn't have all many measurements early on. So by

68:58 them all together by calling the mud , I could lump them all

69:03 And the idea here is that these are composed of three constituents primarily

69:13 which is here clay, which is in there and courts which is up

69:20 . Okay, so um all the fall pretty much along this line,

69:26 is probably why you have that straight . Okay. Now, uh even

69:34 I had sonic waveform data in the old days, remember I said in

69:38 laboratory we used to make a silicone well in the logging trucks. Uh

69:45 can actually get in a silla scope of the, of the sonic wave

69:51 . And they could get a camera take a picture of the oscilloscope.

69:57 they could pick the p waves and lay from the silla scope picture or

70:02 could do it. Keep the sonic in place pulse and just measure the

70:11 is manually by looking at the wave and then moving the tool in

70:17 So in the very, very early very primitive. But shear wave velocities

70:25 available and I found this in the logging literature. This is data from

70:30 and I plotted his points. He a table he never crossed, plotted

70:34 never did anything with them, but plotted right on the mud rock

70:42 And then for it picket stand stop which was a big surprise remember his

70:51 . P. B. S ratios from less than 1.6 to more than

70:56 . And in fact the sandstone data following the mud rock line. And

71:03 was a huge surprise that shells and with the same velocity have very similar

71:12 pds rations by the way, keep mind these are all brine saturated

71:17 right things will be different when we hydrocarbons to the sands. But for

71:23 saturated sands, pickets, laboratory motions right on the mud rock line.

71:31 I'll leave you with that. And let you chew on that idea,

71:37 if sand stones and shells flawed on mud rock line, that means most

71:43 the rocks in the gulf of Mexico the gulf coast that don't have um

71:52 in them have the same V. . B. S. Relationship.

71:57 see the power of that. If alter your V. P.

72:02 S. Relationship now we have a to distinguish hydrocarbon bearing rocks from all

72:09 the rocks. They will. The barren barren rocks will fought off the

72:15 rock line whereas the brian sands and etcetera, silt stones will all plot

72:22 the mud rock line. So anyway is where we are looking at tickets

72:28 as we collect more data and we what's happening better. Will realize that

72:36 data set is a very specific data and that sands may plot on the

72:42 rock. One line brian sands depending their composition. They make club and

72:48 , they may plot slightly below or they plot slightly above. So we'll

72:54 more of these VPs ratios. Next questions okay I'll stop

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